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PostSubject: DNA study on milksnakes published   Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:17 pm

Have you guys read the paper published last month on the DNA findings for triangulum? Subspecies classification is basically going away and the atypical tricolored triangulum from SE VA are now considered elapsoides.

I can't link the paper here, or at least dont know how but can email it.
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PostSubject: Re: DNA study on milksnakes published   Tue Jan 07, 2014 7:18 pm

You can email it to me and I'll try to post it. Focal@VaHerps.com
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PostSubject: Re: DNA study on milksnakes published   Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:00 pm

As of today 1/8/14 - elapsoides does not exists. Where was this paper published?
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PostSubject: Re: DNA study on milksnakes published   Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:08 am

2013 Oxford University Press on behalf of the Society of Systematic Biologists
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PostSubject: Re: DNA study on milksnakes published   Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:12 am

jw, I can send it to you also if you give me an email address. It is about 67 pages long.
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PostSubject: Re: DNA study on milksnakes published   Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:17 am

Focal, I tried sending twice but got the yahoo failure notice each time.
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PostSubject: Re: DNA study on milksnakes published   Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:52 pm

My Apologies to Ralph. He is correct. I was referencing an out-of-date document. L. elapsoides has been elevated to full species status.
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PostSubject: Re: DNA study on milksnakes published   Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:23 pm

Thanks, I got the paper but it's too large to upload.
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PostSubject: Re: DNA study on milksnakes published   Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:25 pm

This may work:

http://m.sysbio.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/12/10/sysbio.syt099

Nevermind, looks like it's just part of it and you have to pay for the full version? Unsure if it should be posted.
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PostSubject: Re: DNA study on milksnakes published   Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:50 pm

Pm me another email address Focal and I should be able to send you the whole thing
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PostSubject: Re: DNA study on milksnakes published   Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:45 pm

Another one I missed is the Black Kingsnake. It too was elevated to species level as have all of the getula subspecies. No mention of sticticeps.
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PostSubject: Re: DNA study on milksnakes published   Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:46 pm

Thanks JW, I was also in error when I said that the atypical tricolored specimens from SE VA are now considered elapsoides.  The description of elapsoides in that paper said that the snakes from that area are likely triangulum.
Looking at the range map that shows where the specimens used for this study came from none where taken from SE VA.  I would have thought that it would be interesting for mtDNA analysis to be done comparing the so called "coastal plains phase" milks (the atypical tricolored snakes from Va Beach/Chesapeake) and the blotched/saddled snakes (from the Northern Neck area) to the typical eastern milk.  I was talking with Ted Kahn who does taxonomic work for itis at the Smithsonian and he feels very confident that the tri colored snakes from the Va Beach area are indeed elapsoides where as the NN snakes are triangulum.  I guess a study on this would be a great topic for someone's doctoral thesis one day?
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