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 Everglades ratsnake and yellow rat snakes now illegal to sell in VA?

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PostSubject: Everglades ratsnake and yellow rat snakes now illegal to sell in VA?   Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:24 pm

Just a heads up but once the black rat snake was renamed the eastern rat snake along with yellow, greenish and everglades rat snakes it bacame illegal to sell any of them here in VA unless it's an albino. They are ALL now considered Pantherophis alleghaniensis. What was once scorned as a hybrid in the hobby (everglades x black rat) is now considered the same species with no subspecies designation.


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PostSubject: Re: Everglades ratsnake and yellow rat snakes now illegal to sell in VA?   Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:47 pm

Do you have any links to this info for clarification purposes? I own one and gave one away a while back. I hope I didn't mess up :/
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PostSubject: Re: Everglades ratsnake and yellow rat snakes now illegal to sell in VA?   Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:59 pm

You can still posses up to five. I doubt DGIF will go after you for having a hypo everglades or yellow ratsnake but like JW explained to me yesterday they all use the same taxonomic source and what was formerly known as everglades rat snake, yellow rat snake and black rat snake are now all renamed as the Eastern Rat Snake. I just confirmed this name change with Floridas website as well. The Eastern Rat Snakes range now covers from southern Ontario to the Florida Keys.


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PostSubject: Re: Everglades ratsnake and yellow rat snakes now illegal to sell in VA?   Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:31 am

http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/herpetology/fl-guide/pantherophisalleghaniensis.htm

Does anyone have a contact in the enforcement division?  Maybe since the everglades and yellow rat snake look nothing like what an Eastern Rat Snake is described as in Virginia's DGIF and VHS website then they would not enforce the selling of them.
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PostSubject: Re: Everglades ratsnake and yellow rat snakes now illegal to sell in VA?   Sun Nov 24, 2013 1:23 am

I am glad I moved out of Virginia then! I had a ton of Everglades!
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PostSubject: Re: Everglades ratsnake and yellow rat snakes now illegal to sell in VA?   Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:52 am

You were able to move your snakes to Hawaii?
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PostSubject: Re: Everglades ratsnake and yellow rat snakes now illegal to sell in VA?   Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:26 pm

I guess that will also include white oaks as well?
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PostSubject: Re: Everglades ratsnake and yellow rat snakes now illegal to sell in VA?   Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:11 pm

The intent of many of the herp regulations is to stop and/or regulate the sale of native species. My guess is the DGIF will treat atypical looking eastern ratsnakes in the same manner as atypical looking corn snakes. I've asked the DGIF for an "official statement" on this matter and will post it here.
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PostSubject: Re: Everglades ratsnake and yellow rat snakes now illegal to sell in VA?   Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:03 pm

Thanks JW!
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PostSubject: Re: Everglades ratsnake and yellow rat snakes now illegal to sell in VA?   Fri Nov 29, 2013 12:39 am

No, that isn't allowed.


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PostSubject: Re: Everglades ratsnake and yellow rat snakes now illegal to sell in VA?   Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:07 pm

The official word from the DGIF regarding the sales of P. alleghaniensis in Virginia:

"These snakes cannot be sold in Virginia, even if they are captive breed or collected outside of the state. The restrictions on the sale of native herps, does not apply to albinos of any species except for T&E or otherwise designated."
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PostSubject: Re: Everglades ratsnake and yellow rat snakes now illegal to sell in VA?   Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:29 pm

Thanks for the clarification JW.
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PostSubject: Re: Everglades ratsnake and yellow rat snakes now illegal to sell in VA?   Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:06 am

Yes, thanks for getting that info JW. BTW, what is T&E?
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PostSubject: Re: Everglades ratsnake and yellow rat snakes now illegal to sell in VA?   Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:03 am

Threatened and endangered
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