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PostSubject: Python Skin Belt   Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:51 pm

So, would anyone be upset if I bought one?

http://www.bullhidebelts.com/Python-Skin-Belts_ep_68-1.html
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:00 pm

doesn't bother me.....
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:20 pm

Don wrote:
So, would anyone be upset if I bought one?

http://www.bullhidebelts.com/Python-Skin-Belts_ep_68-1.html

I would be very disappointed in you, Don. Everyone knows snake skin was like, SO last year Rolling Eyes

http://www.fabsugar.com/Celebrities-Wearing-Snakeskin-Trend-2012-21647087#

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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:30 pm

I prefer rodent skin, with his head as the buckle and his teeth too hold it closed.
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:16 pm

long as it isnt made from one of your own collection or your not asking for a sacrifice..lol fine with me
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:31 pm

yes, why would you support an industry hell bent on torturing animals needlessly?

ichopz, actually, it would be better if they came from a private collection. It wouldn't be removing an animal from the wild population.

Sorry to be a debby-downer but I have seen these animal markets 1st hand.

I only ask why would you?? But this is a free country and you can do what you want.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20509720

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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:39 pm

I would not buy one. Purchasing products made from real snakes only leads to more snakes being made into products.
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:38 pm

then rickard i hope your car doesnt have leather, or any of your belts or shoes for that matter. and dont start with the medical research world... lol dont be judgemental ppl...
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:51 pm

why dont you just wrap one of your critters around your belly? No need to kill it and soooo many different styles.. cheers

just don't use that one Piebald.. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:35 pm

Here is something to consider, if you purchase a belt made from a burm or rock, if you are wearing it when you cross a state line, you are going to be violating the Lacey Act. Would hate to see you in prison just because you wanted to keep your pants up. =)

I don’t think this is true for snakes, but the leather industry was instrumental in saving the American Alligator population. If you want to save an animal, find a way for money to be made from it and you will.
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:05 pm

Chuck, good point about the alligator. I have mixed feelings, that's why I posted to get the feel. The one thing that I did see was this sentence on the website:
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We purchase our snake skins from authorized leather tanneries that only buy directly from legally supported and licensed harvesters.

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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:24 pm

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then rickard i hope your car doesnt have leather, or any of your belts or shoes for that matter. and dont start with the medical research world... lol dont be judgemental ppl...

my car doesn't have leather. my belts do, but it's cow hide, so why just toss the cow hide in the dumpster after you kill it for meat??

I actually don't care about medical research, why because we need cures for disease so we can keep overpopulating the earth and kill everything.

You totally missed my point.

Why in the world would you purchase something made out of an animal that you keep and breed in captivity, knowing, if you watched the short film I posted, how the animals in the skin trade ended up there??


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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:45 pm

I knew some leather people in Op, AL. they always had a booth at the Op Rattlesnake Rodeo. Very nice people. They sold skins, belts, wallets, hatbands, ect. Most from the snakes that I love, EDB, canes, coppers, cottons. That would normally upset me greatly, however, they assure me that all the skins come from dead snakes, such as road kills. In my opinion, once they are dead, why not let the skins be used for something? Doesn’t make since not to. Once I know that, I bought a canebrake checkbook cover from them.
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:45 pm

I ate frog legs on two separate occasions Embarassed
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:48 pm

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I ate frog legs on two separate occasions Embarassed

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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:58 pm

They really aren't that good. It's like fishy chicken and did make me feel like a cannibal. I'll never do it again though. My poor son cried for a week when his last two frogs ran away from home Suspect
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:11 pm

You must not have had them prepared properly. I have eaten them many times. They were pretty good. Come to think about it I've eaten rattlesnake too.
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:14 pm

They sell some type of huge frog legs at Food City. Says they are imported from Vietnam. Anyway, we feed them to our eastern hogs and they love them!

Even though my wife is from France, she has never cooked any for us to eat. Haha
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:23 pm

I have to agree with b_rickard. It's not humane, it's done for fashion. If the animal was humanely euthanized and the entire animal was used, I'd be okay with that as long as over harvesting didn't put any of the pythons on the endangered species list.

I feel the similar about sport hunting. If you're hunting to feed your family or donate your meat to a food bank, I'm okay with that, but not for the pleasure killing or fashion. It's a wasted life.

I'm not a hipster vegan. I enjoy meat. I don't condone throwing buckets of paint on fur wearing socialites. If you want to have a snake skin belt, have a snake skin belt. We can agree to disagree on this issue.

I do believe every dollar you spend is a vote for how you want the world to be.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-482849/Pythons-skinned-left-die-The-shocking-reality-fashions-new-obsession.html
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:24 pm

Ppl eat python all the time.. so if they are eating it why not use the skin.. don is not going out a killing snakes senslessly. Hesthinking of buying from a "reputable" seller.. no different than ppl buy leather belts.. sorry if you don't see it that way but there is a circle of life.. killed or road kill or natural death for that mater
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:32 pm

Everybody is posting video snippets and links.. But we all are herp keepers.. Poison dart frogs to eyelash vipers.. Its what we do.. But to everybody thats looks at us we are THE WEIRDOS... We should always support fellow herpers.. Considering we are always looked down on in the public eye..
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:14 pm

who knows what i ate in sausages, burgers, bread... basically anything pre cooked has something in it that i don't want to know about. At least when you eat a frog, alligator steak, snake meat, worms or stuff like that you know what you're eating..
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:56 pm

I don't know how to do the multi quote thing so...

Nick- my husband eats frog legs and I just can't bring myself to try them, I just like the little buggers too much!

Marco- I was thinking the same thing, j/kingly of course, multiple styles and colors Smile

JW - totally agree, there may be a small market for something in the beginning but it always has the possibility to grow and more animals get used. I'm not against animals being used for things like food research etc., but the thought of them (I guess animals that are considered exotics) is a little upsetting to me, but in other parts of the world it is or could be the norm. To each his own, just because I wouldn't eat or buy a particular item it doesn't mean that other people shouldn't.

Steve- I love it...teeth as a buckle...hahahahaha


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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:24 pm

Here's my thoughts on it...
we all feed and our snakes rats and mice correct? Yes the circle of life, but rat and mice owners who have them as pets think we are cruel. They don't care that we breed the rats for a specific purpose, we see it as OK because we are using it for our snakes and we don't breed them as pets.
I love my snakes, and all my reptiles, everyone one of them, by why is it any different when someone is doing the same with something I love? I do it to others for what I love and want. Yes what I'm doing is feeding a snake, so he can survive... but I have eaten python, its actually rather good.
I hope, yes hope because I don't know for sure, that the snakes used for these belts are also uses for food.
If it was certain these snakes were being used for food, just like the rats we feed would this even be an issue?
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:16 am

It probably wouldn't be as much of an issue as people make it out to be. I have had rats mice and other food items as pets, so I don't think we're cruel people, and I know other people on here have them as pets as well. I work in research and sometimes I don't like what we do, but it has to be done. I personally don't care what other people do, I would prefer that the snakes are not treated cruelly or live in bad conditions or wild caught and are used for more than one purpose, but that's not the way it always works so there is always going to be some issue with someone about every aspect of animals being used for whatever purpose.
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:48 am

our rats are bred for food and those snakes are bred for clothing...no issue here but dont think it would be a good idea to show off at a reptile show Smile

piebald belt...hummmmmmm
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:26 pm

Drawing comparisons between rats and snakes is flawed:
Rats reproduce at a much higher rate than do snakes.
Rats reach sexuality maturity much faster than snakes.
Rats flourish around human habitations, snakes do not.
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:37 pm

point being they were bred for food and these snakes breed for belts...
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:38 pm

I WOULDNT GET ONE but would not judge anyone that did...anyways dons my hero
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:15 pm

The point being that snakes are not a sustainable resource for the fashion industry.
Like most people, I judge everything.

I like and respect Don, just think it would be an error in judgement to purchase the belt.
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:36 pm

I haven't bought the belt. I put the link on here to generate discussion. At the Daytona show last year, there was a vendor there selling snake skin purses, wallets, belts, etc. He said that he harvests the skins from animals already dead, like road kill and from breeders who have snakes that die. I found it interesting that he was doing business in one of the largest reptile shows in the country.

However, I did order another belt (not leather or pythons - the one that is labeled "indestructible") from this company, but when I saw the python belts during the ordering process, I was curious how this audience would view it.

I don't have a problem with people who would buy and wear the belt. I like that this store recognizes that there are illegal ways of harvesting and they seek out the legal methods. So, I would not have a problem with some buying from them. I think the prices reflect that they go the legal route. $170 and up for a belt is a lot of money for a belt.

John, if I were to purchase the belt, it would not be the first time I had an error in judgement! Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:52 pm

Don wrote:
At the Daytona show last year, there was a vendor there selling snake skin purses, wallets, belts, etc. He said that he harvests the skins from animals already dead, like road kill and from breeders who have snakes that die.

What else would he say?

Could you imagine a vendor at a dog show selling dog skin purses, wallets, belts, etc. Even if they were skins harvested from animals already dead, like road kills and from breeders who had dogs that died. Makes an interesting double standard.








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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:17 pm

Dog hair would not make a very soft purse, etc. I would have no problem going to rabbit show and buying rabbit purses, wallets and belts! That would be so 70's to have a rabbit fur belt.
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:56 pm

sexy tho
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:58 pm

I'd avoid some rabbit pelts:
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:35 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:46 pm

jw wrote:
I'd avoid some rabbit pelts:

Now, that just might make an interesting belt! Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:20 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:12 pm

personally If it was me that wanted I'd get it if others think differently of you based on the purchase they probably weren't worth keeping around anyway...

Yes I can see where some say it's inhumane it's this it's that it's torture it's a living animal... well in that case who murdered and ate the salad... it was a living plant before someone rudely pulled it up and killed it infront of it's children....

Saving the cowhide is pointless are they using the bones for tool's like done in the Old day's when Don was just knee high to a grasshopper ( sorry Don Smile ) probably not so their wasting some of the animal so to think your your putting the whole animal to use your really not... IMO that was a way to make yourself feel good about it and a way to boast your feeling's on the subject.

It's the circle of life you feed your reptile's live Ohhh NO those poor defenseless rodents put in that tub knowingly left to die and be eaten.

If it's passed away due to natural cause's or if it was selected to or breed for that reason where is the harm in it?
Someone said something about wild snakes and the population of them in the wild... I'm not 100 on this so don't quote me heck go ahead it is what it is I don't think they take them from the wild in all scenario's I do believe most have farmer's that raise mass populations of them for this reason.

It would be a double standard to say this is wrong not say the processing of the meat we eat is wrong.

I reckon I'd make a whole lot of you mad when I say I have plan's to do the entire inside of a car where customizing in snake skin from the dash back seat's floor the whole interior am I wrong for doing so? is it inhumane of me to do so?

If you answer yes I ask only one question...


WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE ME?
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:19 pm

I ate a lego once... it did not taste like chicken.
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:20 am

Cp3_Pythons wrote:

Saving the cowhide is pointless are they using the bones for tool's like done in the Old day's when Don was just knee high to a grasshopper ( sorry Don Smile ) probably not so their wasting some of the animal so to think your your putting the whole animal to use your really not...

Actually, in modern slaughterhouses very little goes to waste.

The bones become Jello

The hide becomes leather

The lips and ******** become hot dogs

and anything else that you think would be discarded goes into pet foods and mechanically separated meat products.

It's the houses that consume those things that are incredibly wasteful.
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:46 am

http://www.jkrgear.com/
Not sure the relevance of this but here's a website that uses snake shed to make products to have the real snake skin look to them. I personally have a snake hook from them with a timber rattle snake shed skin used for the handle and it is awesome. I would recommend this company to all of you. They will take a snake shed you provide to make custom gear or shed already available.
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:44 am

In addition to jello, bovine bones and connective tissues are used to make: frosting, marshmallows, gummy candies, sour cream, meat aspics, pharmaceutical drug capsules, paint balls, photographic paper/film, used to remove heavy metals from water and other aqueous solutions, fluoride removal, aquarium filters, used in the refinement of sugar, crude oil, petroleum jelly.

Due to mad cow disease the skull and spine are not used.


Dale that's a cool site! Thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:47 am

No!!!!!!! Not marshmallows and hotdogs Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:50 am

MADKATTER wrote:
I ate a lego once... it did not taste like chicken.

Leggo my lego? lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:11 pm

Focal wrote:
No!!!!!!! Not marshmallows and hotdogs Sad

cryingwithlaughter ...I was thinking the same thing...not marshmallows or gummy bears!
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:13 pm

Sadly I'd have to disagree worked in a processing plant for both cow's and chickens worked for about 3 months in a place that did hogs... you wouldn't believe what get's thrown out
While yes I can agree that maybe not all places are like this but I wouldn't go as far to say they use everything
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:45 am

Looks like Beyonce is catching grief for reptile skin in the half-time show of the Superbowl:

http://www.ibtimes.com/peta-lashes-beyonce-reptile-killing-super-bowl-outfit-1067198
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PostSubject: Re: Python Skin Belt   Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:38 pm

my boots are made of moo cow...toss paint on them
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