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PostSubject: Mouth Rot?   Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:33 pm

I think my spinner has mouth rot. I noticed a few days ago his face looked different, but I just thought it was because he'd gotten a piece of aspen stuck in his mouth when he ate last. I do not check all of my snakes every day, but today went to clean and water him and noticed his mouth was very swollen. I opened his mouth gently with a Q-tip and found that his gums are swollen and he has a ton of mucus/saliva in his mouth. Both nostrils are also full of mucus.

I just made him an appointment for 5pm. Its the soonest I'll be able to get there as we only have one car and my husband had to take it to get to work today. I gently cleaned off the mucus on his nostrils (on the outside) with a Q-tip, cleaned his tub and put him on paper towels.

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PostSubject: Re: Mouth Rot?   Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:39 pm

Strike that. He didn't eat on 1/17 as I thought he had, but I do recall taking aspen out of his mouth.
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PostSubject: Re: Mouth Rot?   Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:14 pm

Not sure on this one. He may have a splinter in there that may be pushing out.
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PostSubject: Re: Mouth Rot?   Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:17 pm

His entire mouth is swollen. It looks pretty bad. I took some pictures if anyone would find it useful.
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PostSubject: Re: Mouth Rot?   Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:01 pm

Yeah I'm interested to see them. I have a girl that's been rubbing like crazy since introduced to a male and her nostril is a tad swollen but not bad yet. I've been watching her and hoping it doesn't get worse.
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PostSubject: Re: Mouth Rot?   Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:19 pm









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PostSubject: Re: Mouth Rot?   Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:53 pm

Vet has put him on Baytril injections. She said it doesn't look like mouth rot but it could be an infection in this sinus cavities.
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PostSubject: Re: Mouth Rot?   Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:19 pm

Baytril is a good medicine for snakes….but did he mentioned anything about local cleansing or local anti bacterial?
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PostSubject: Re: Mouth Rot?   Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:41 am

No, he's just getting Baytril shots every 48hrs. I am also providing fluid support by tube feeding small amounts of water.

I noticed one of his eyes are dented in (the eyecap) though he is not in a shed cycle. Is this a sign of dehydration? I've given him about 2 ml of water since last night. I have unflavored pediatric electrolyte solution if that would be better. (It says with Zinc so I'm not sure if this is safe for snakes). I also have chicken baby food (along with calcium powder and vitamin powder) on standby should this be a prolonged thing and he begins to lose weight.
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PostSubject: Re: Mouth Rot?   Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:55 am

I would address any questions regarding the indented eyecap(s), use of zinc or other supplements to the vet. If your vet is like the ones up here, you paid enough for a follow-up phone call or two.

Hope the snake makes a full and speedy recovery.
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PostSubject: Re: Mouth Rot?   Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:57 pm

We paid roughly $75 for the visit and all additional shots. So it didn't break the bank.
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PostSubject: Re: Mouth Rot?   Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:27 pm

I will be asking the vet about the use of Pedialyte and such tomorrow. I gave him 4mL of water tonight. His eyecap is still indented. He seems weaker tonight. I went to pick him up and normally his body is fairly sturdy, but tonight he just didn't seem to hold on as tightly. I'm going to weigh him tomorrow before heading to the vet for his next shot. The swelling in his face has gone unchanged but as to be expected with antibiotics, they can take some time to take effect. He's has two doses of Baytril so far.

This seems like a respiratory infection and not mouth rot. He was wheezing a little tonight and when he breathes, its a very heavy breath, not just the small rise and fall of his sides like normal breathing. For QT purposes I have him in a 10g tank with an infrared heat bulb. Temps are between 89-91. Anything else I can be doing to help him (other than his medication and tubing water)?
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PostSubject: Re: Mouth Rot?   Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:04 pm

My only suggestion would be to place him in an enclosure large enough so he can thermoregulate. It's very difficult to create a thermo-gradient in a 10 g aquarium. With RIs I've used sweater boxes with a human heating pad set on low underneath one side.

It has been my experience that if RIs are caught early, increasing enclosure temperatures a few degrees will often fix the issue. Unfortunately, I do not have much experience with ball pythons and don't know if this would apply. Perhaps one of the BP gurus will chime in and share their knowledge/experiences.

Since the snake is under vet care, I would follow his or her treatment plan and not stress the snake unnecessarily by moving it or changing enclosures unless directed by the vet to do so.

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PostSubject: Re: Mouth Rot?   Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:14 pm

He's not a large ball python. Less than 200g. I just worry about him. My boa was fine with a course of antibiotics. His case just seems more severe.
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PostSubject: Re: Mouth Rot?   Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:55 am

I would bump up the humidity to 70%, maybe give him a sweat box too.
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PostSubject: Re: Mouth Rot?   Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:15 pm

I bumped up the humidity tonight. He went in for his shot tonight and the vet agreed that he is getting worse. The swelling appears to have gotten worse and he is getting weak. The vet gave him a steroid injection to help with the swelling. He goes in tomorrow for another steroid shot tomorrow. I looked up how much water to give him per day and giving him about 3mL a day should keep him from getting dehydrated.

The vet wants me to tube feed him some food just to get some calories in him but if he is slightly dehydrated, feeding him wouldn't be a good idea. He hasn't lost any weight, so I will hold off a few days to see if his hydration gets any better. His eye is looking much better today. Slightly dented but only just barely, so I think the daily water is helping keep him hydrated.

If he does not respond well to the antibiotics the vet wants to obtain a tissue sample from his mouth.

Thank you to everyone reading this and commenting. I know you are not vets, but it just helps to post this here and get feedback.
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PostSubject: Re: Mouth Rot?   Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:11 pm

Today we made the decision to put Brieder down. He was suffering so much. We are going to do a post mortem tissue sample to be analyzed so the vets can figure out what it is. I'm keeping an eye on the rest of my collection and so far, everyone is business as usual.
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PostSubject: Re: Mouth Rot?   Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:27 pm

Sorry to hear that. Please post results when you get them.
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PostSubject: Re: Mouth Rot?   Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:34 pm

I will. I'm am terrified it is something the other snakes can catch. They were calling an exotic vet near DC and he seemed to think, based on pictures and a overview of symptoms and attempted treatments, that this could be viral.

It was weird. There was no facial trauma, but his mouth and face swelled up fast. There was no puss or open wounds. They tried two different antibiotics and steriod injections. He just continued to spiral downward. They said his mouth had necrotic tissue and his mouth and lips were turning slightly blue (probably from lack of oxygen due to the swelling).
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