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PostSubject: tetracyclin??   Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:21 pm

So has anyone ever herd of tetracycline being used to treat a RI in ball pythons.
Everything i have been able to find says its seldom used and ineffective.
Personally the one RI i had to treat i used baytril injections from a vet.
I bring this up because i just got a snake from the show in Hampton from one of the local tables and noted when we got him home that he was wheezing but that he was in shed so couldn't get a good idea of what it was due to that. Unfortunately today we caught him breathing with his mouth open so he has a full blown RI. Now we contacted the vendor because we noted all this and kept a close eye on it and hes kinda claiming innocence to the matter (not that it wasn't expected it has been 3 weeks), but he says that it wasn't his animal and that he had no tables there even though everyone at the table was wearing the company shirt. He has said that he would be willing to show us how to use the tetracycline in their water but i don't exactly get the warm and fuzzies from this guy, and have only used baytril injections before. So im looking for more information from a more trusted source here.
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PostSubject: Re: tetracyclin??   Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:35 pm

never heard of it for use in pets or animals so can't say.

Heard of Baytril used in snakes...

for my cat they gave us Clavamox or something like that...
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PostSubject: Re: tetracyclin??   Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:40 pm

I would stick to the baytril injections and nebulizing.
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PostSubject: Re: tetracyclin??   Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:01 pm

I've heard of Tetracyclin on a recent forum for a snake that a vet misdiagnosed as having scale rot (it actually had a severe belly burn). I work with dogs, and I've seen Tetracyclin used for VERY minor things, Cephalexin and Baytril definitely seem more commonly used, at least in mammals.

I would say stick to what you know. Not to mention, go with your gut on this guy. If you have a bad feeling about him, I would definitely heed it.
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PostSubject: Re: tetracyclin??   Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:38 pm

baytril is what I've always used. Tried an true.
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PostSubject: Re: tetracyclin??   Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:10 pm

Plus isn't tetracyclin used for more specific fungal infections? I have been through all types of herps and herp vets and the one thing that has stayed consistent ever since I was little was the use of nebulizing and baytril.
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PostSubject: Re: tetracyclin??   Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:31 pm

Tetracycline is an antibiotic but mostly its used on turtles from what ive read on it.
Personally im going to stick with a professional vet and their recommendation, which my vet its usually baytril. Im more looking for more information on tetracycline in general cause ive never herd of it being used to treat RIs.
Also im tryin not to blast this breeder on here cause this is not the place for it thats what the boi on fauna is for. The story only serves as to kinda help yall understand my concern for the treatment he suggested. If asked i will give my opinion in private messages only and that this is only my opinion.
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PostSubject: Re: tetracyclin??   Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:56 pm

No, totally understood. I respect that you didn't post his name/really any personal info. That's appreciated, as the BOI on Fauna is hugely intimidating. I just lurk there to watch the sparks fly XD

But yeah, I would definitely trust a vet over a guy who strikes you as shady.

Best wishes to you and your baby. Wishing him a speedy recovery.
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PostSubject: Re: tetracyclin??   Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:30 am

It sounds very similar to something I use to use for aquarium fish. I think, the reason infected snakes breath with their mouth open is because their nostrils are clogged mucous, but not positive on that. If that is the case though, I think it would also be difficult for them to drink and hard to administer the proper amount. I'm on my cell so I might have missed a detail.
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PostSubject: Re: tetracyclin??   Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:01 am

I have used tetracycline in rodents to treat RI, but never in a snake. Not to mention, when tetracycline is added to water for rodents, they drink throughout the day. This gives them enough of the dosage to be effective. Now you take an animal that is much larger than a rodent and put the antibiotic in his water and he may drink, he may not. He may shy away from it because it smells different (rodents have no choice but to drink the water because they need water everyday. However, snakes can go days without drinking) Then you may not be able to administer the proper dosage effectively.

I'd stick with oral medications or injections. Consult with your vet about proper treatment of RIs.
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PostSubject: Re: tetracyclin??   Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:58 am

I would think that getting the snake the proper dosage of antibiotic by placing it into its drinking water would be next to impossible. If the snake drinks too much, you risk an overdose. If the snake drinks too little, the dosage may be insufficient to cure the RI and you could possibly create an RI that is resistant to antibiotics.

Hope the snake makes full and speedy recovery.
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PostSubject: Re: tetracyclin??   Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:53 pm

Thanks all hes on his way to the vet now so we shall see what they say.
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PostSubject: Re: tetracyclin??   Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:11 am

Any update?
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PostSubject: Re: tetracyclin??   Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:56 pm

Bad lower ri. We got a lung wash and are waiting on a culture in the meantime daily injections of baytril. The vet did not recommend tetracycline either.

He is expected to make a full recovery.
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PostSubject: Re: tetracyclin??   Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:12 pm

glad he should be ok and thank goodness you get him help
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PostSubject: Re: tetracyclin??   Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:22 am

Glad he's on his way to being healthy Smile
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PostSubject: Re: tetracyclin??   Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:10 pm

does vetricyn work for ri? i've heard good things about it for open wounds but i dont remember if it worked for respiratory infections too.
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PostSubject: Re: tetracyclin??   Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:35 pm

So i just got a call and he didnt make it. He died today about 10-20 minutes ago. He was on baytril injections and soaks with high humidity. The vet had called a few hours earlier and did tell us it was a bacterial infection but in the end he just was not getting better. We were talking to the vet about other options but he passed before we could do anything it sucks Sad
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PostSubject: Re: tetracyclin??   Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:26 pm

I'm sorry to hear, at least you did what you could to save it. I hope you let the person you bought it from know, not only because you lost an animal and money, but he could be spreading it around even if he claims it wasn't him.

I talked with one of our vet techs and she said Baytril, she wasn't sure what the tetracyclin would do to a reptile, but Baytril injections do cause tissue necrosis in some mammals.
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PostSubject: Re: tetracyclin??   Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:49 pm

I'm so sorry to hear this :c

I'm also sorry that the seller was not more concerned or more involved... It could've spared this poor guy's life.

You did everything you could and he couldnt've asked for a better shot. I'm so sorry you had to go through this :c
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PostSubject: Re: tetracyclin??   Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:34 pm

Thank guys
i havent had the chance to contact the seller due to being in Cali. However my girlfriend probably will contact him.

Also my vet did mention that baytril can be harsh on snakes liver and could cause abscess's on their bodies at the injection site. I have not experienced this as of yet.
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PostSubject: Re: tetracyclin??   Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:41 pm

Bobbykaizer wrote:
does vetricyn work for ri? i've heard good things about it for open wounds but i dont remember if it worked for respiratory infections too.
In short vetricyn is little more than glorified salt water, which is of course good for treating open wounds and other minor injuries but has absolutely no lasting impact on major infection, nor does it kill any kind of parasite
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PostSubject: Re: tetracyclin??   Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:43 am

Honestly, I buy syringes, needles, and bayril to keep on hand at all times just in case a RI pops up. I bought my first female when I was still inexperienced, and she had an uneven shed when I took her home. A few days later I noticed the wheezing and the drool. The vet gave me oral injections and nose drops, but she still passed away later ):
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PostSubject: Re: tetracyclin??   Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:56 am

You don't need a prescription for Baytril?
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PostSubject: Re: tetracyclin??   Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:39 pm

I found a site that was selling it by the bottle, and I've never had a problem. It comes from somewhere in Asia... But it works!
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