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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:01 pm

Here's an update: http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/309925
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:04 pm

A good deed?! What a jerk. I'm glad he got shut down. I'm fairly certain it's also illegal to actually fire a weapon in a state park.

Not to mention, these snakes weren't hurting anyone!

It is dumbfounding how ignorant people can choose to be.

Thank you for the update, I am very happy that something was done about it. Major kudos to the Fish & Game Department.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:09 pm

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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:40 pm

I have a difficult time understanding his thought process, but in his mind he was doing the town a service. This is why public education is a top priority for the VHS. Perhaps, the next time he feels like doing a good deed, he'll pick-up trash, sweep the streets or something else that doesn't include the killing of native wildlife.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:03 pm

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Does anyone still have a copy of it? It could prove useful later.

I have screen shots of the whole article that I'll post in a bit. You can find the cached article in google too.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:04 pm

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By Amy Matzke-Fawcett
981-3336

A good deed has gotten a retired pastor into a slippery situation in Rocky Mount.

Yes, it looks like I might be making another phone to find out why illegal activity and slaughter of protect animals is considered a "a good deed" by the Roanoke Times.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:14 pm

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By Amy Matzke-Fawcett
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A good deed has gotten a retired pastor into a slippery situation in Rocky Mount.

Yes, it looks like I might be making another phone to find out why illegal activity and slaughter of protect animals is considered a "a good deed" by the Roanoke Times.

I could not agree with you more. This just makes it seem like the people who were complaining about upholding the law were nuts. It seems incredibly unprofessional and immature of them.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:17 pm

Another Editor's voicemail. I just left a message asking the same simple question

"Why does your paper call illegal activity and the wholesale slaughter of protected animals, a good deed? Do you often condone other illegal activites or is just because this one involved reptiles?"

The number for the Roanoke times is (800) 346-1234 or (540) 981 3211 (press 0 for operator) if anyone else wants to call and ask.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:18 pm









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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:22 pm

Yeah "A good deed" is in fact victimizing the pastor. This is typical. I know that the paper is now receiving phone calls.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:31 pm

jw wrote:
I have a difficult time understanding his thought process, but in his mind he was doing the town a service. This is why public education is a top priority for the VHS. Perhaps, the next time he feels like doing a good deed, he'll pick-up trash, sweep the streets or something else that doesn't include the killing of native wildlife.

Thanks for the update John, yeah I agree. Education is the key. I also think though, that he should be used as an example that there should be no tolerance for indiscriminate slaughter of our native non-game wildlife.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:51 pm

Had forgotten the 'burmese python'
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:01 pm

UPDATE: My contact at DGIF told me that they are working heavy on this case. They are going to do a huge announcement on Monday that will include a press release on this case telling people what and what not to do legally when encountering reptiles. They have received over 50 phone calls, concerned citizens as well as out of state folks. Since this is an open investigation they cannot say much more about the case. However, I will say this has gotten their attention and they are very busy with this one. Thanks to everyone who called or emailed them. Smile Justice will be done!
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:13 pm

Great news! Thanks for the update
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:21 pm

Excellent news! Glad they're taking care of it!

Attempting to eradicate a predator out of a food chain is incredibly damaging, and the public needs to be made aware of that. It would be just as dangerous if he was shooting every black bear, raccoon, bobcat, etc., that he saw. Plus, if he was killing something 'cute and fuzzy,' there would probably be more public backlash from it. Rolling Eyes

Thank you again to leftoflarry for reporting this, and to everyone else who helped put the pressure on this guy.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:25 pm

Kudos to everyone for their emails and calls. I am glad this is being investigated Smile What a hopeful good start to the weekend.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:39 pm

Well, I just finished spending two full days teaching 320 middle school kids about reptiles. I used this story as a teaching lesson about killing snakes. I'm exhausted, but I think the kids learned something.

The teacher told us that it was perfect timing, because we talked about habitat, predator/prey, genetics and differences in warm and cold blooded animals. It brought almost a whole year of science together for the teacher. It was fun.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:53 pm

That's awesome Don! We tried to get our daughter's school to let someone come in and talk about the reptiles and such but they didn't budge. We are hoping the new "green" school will be more open to it since she is changing school districts.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:55 pm

Don wrote:
Well, I just finished spending two full days teaching 320 middle school kids about reptiles. I used this story as a teaching lesson about killing snakes. I'm exhausted, but I think the kids learned something.

The teacher told us that it was perfect timing, because we talked about habitat, predator/prey, genetics and differences in warm and cold blooded animals. It brought almost a whole year of science together for the teacher. It was fun.
Excellent, and remember you can always use the VHS website for teaching tools. We even have powerpoints and teaching tools for elementary, middle and high school levels.

and check out our kids section!
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:06 pm

Larry, I actually prompted VHS to the students telling them that I'm a member and about the surveys that y'all do. Even though I'm an exotic breeder, I brought as much local information into the lesson as I could. I used VHS website to bone up. Hopefully, I can get a few more young members.

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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:19 pm

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Larry, I actually prompted VHS to the students telling them that I'm a member and about the surveys that y'all do. Even though I'm an exotic breeder, I brought as much local information into the lesson as I could. I used VHS website to bone up. Hopefully, I can get a few more young members.


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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:24 pm

Don wrote:
Well, I just finished spending two full days teaching 320 middle school kids about reptiles. I used this story as a teaching lesson about killing snakes. I'm exhausted, but I think the kids learned something.

The teacher told us that it was perfect timing, because we talked about habitat, predator/prey, genetics and differences in warm and cold blooded animals. It brought almost a whole year of science together for the teacher. It was fun.

As a snake keeper, thank you for teaching facts instead of sensationalism, and responsibility instead of fear. It is greatly appreciated. Smile Who knows, maybe there are some future herpers in there!
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:30 pm

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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:41 pm

I called DGIF to report the wildlife crime. They informed me they are still investigating. Also called the newspaper and left a polite message for the editor explaining it is illegal to kill snakes and asked if they were going to write an article explaining this.... Probably wont get a call back.

After working for 2 years in an office that regulates US flagged vessels, I can absolutely say that if enough people raise an issue and more pressure is put on the regulatory agency to take action, they will follow through. The more people that call the paper and DGIF and POLITELY raise this issue the better.[left]

Edit: didn't see all the updates since noon....iPad is having problems...
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:01 pm

Here's a letter to the editor:

http://www.thefranklinnewspost.com/article.cfm?ID=22392

Glad to see someone spoke out and the paper published it. BTW, did DGIF make an announcement?
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:25 pm

DGIF has not yet made an announcement. I was told that sometimes press releases come out at the end of the day.... stay tuned, as soon as I hear, which I will be one of the first, I'll let everyone here know.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:47 pm

I realize this is major thread necromancy and if the outcome was posted elsewhere then I apologize.  Was this jerk ever prosecuted?
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