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PostSubject: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:56 am

I hope that they have an explosion of rodents in the area because of this man's actions:

http://www.thefranklinnewspost.com/article.cfm?ID=22371
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:11 am

I'm reporting this story to Department of Game and Inland Fisheries, because I believe that killing snakes is actually illegal in Virginia.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:14 am

Good, please keep us updated if they take any action.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:20 am

...I hope they get the Black Plague there. What a bitter old jerk. Why does he get to call this a 'mission' when it's clearly just the ramblings of an elderly reptile-hater. I hate small yappy dogs that people carry around in public. I highly doubt I'd be allowed to publicly dispatch them with a modified weapon specially for them.

Seriously, what kind of authorities are they?

Bunch of asshats.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:20 am

That guy is insane.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:21 am

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I'm reporting this story to Department of Game and Inland Fisheries, because I believe that killing snakes is actually illegal in Virginia.

Please do!! This shouldn't be allowed to continue. I'm fairly certain Virginia also has some pretty strict rules on modifying weapons. Snakes shouldn't have to die (or suffer for the ones that the 71-year-old man couldn't cleanly kill) just because a few people hate reptiles.

Thank you for reporting it.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:23 am

Thanks Larry. I saw the article and was really ticked. The reporter, paper and butt head that does the killing should all be ashamed of themselves. They obviously do not understand the benefits of having those snakes around. I hope something can be done to stop him.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:33 am

Not only that, but the sheriff's office should be ashamed of themselves for giving the guy permission. This is ignorance and fear at its finest. The guy just wants to be in the paper..."look what I did!!" says the proud ignorant fool.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:58 am

All I can say is WOW!!!
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:06 pm

exactly, he gets on there and brags?... nice.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:22 pm

He has been reported to my contacts at VDGIF.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:31 pm

Thanks Larry!"Burmese Python" maybe hes been alittle to close to the microwave need to lay off the corn!
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:49 pm

fuzz wrote:
Thanks Larry!"Burmese Python" maybe hes been alittle to close to the microwave need to lay off the corn!

maybe he stuck his head in the microwave and turned it on high...
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:03 pm

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Not only that, but the sheriff's office should be ashamed of themselves for giving the guy permission. This is ignorance and fear at its finest. The guy just wants to be in the paper..."look what I did!!" says the proud ignorant fool.

I could not agree with you more. Everyone involved should be ashamed for allowing this man to do this. This is ignorant and hateful, and they are damaging their own ecosystem, and of course, the animals within it.

I hugely appreciate you reporting them, I sincerely hope someone gets in trouble for this. This should not be allowed to continue under any circumstance.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:34 pm

he's just killing them for fun too, its so stupid
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:35 pm

DGIF LAW ENFORCEMENT IS ON THE CASE!!!! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:36 pm

nice!! thanks alot larry! this will probably raise some awareness!
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:40 pm

Yes I will keep you guys updated. He needs to be prosecuted as well as the sheriff's deputy who told him it's ok to do this. This is an outrage. Thanks Don for bringing this to my attention. I've alerted DGIF they are very pissed off.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:51 pm

I've been researching the laws in Virginia and have found many articles that say it is illegal to kill snakes in Virginia, but can not find the exact law. I was going to write the paper but wanted to make sure my facts were correct.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:53 pm

That is excellent news!! Hopefully the cop will also get in trouble. Just because you know somebody doesn't mean they're exempt from the law. Departments tend to be very unpleasant towards officers who have openly played favorites.

Edited for grammar. Facepalm Was so irritated I forgot there/they're/their. Geez.


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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:17 pm

Don,
At this point, I would just let VDGIF's Law Enforcement handle it. I'm sure they will be contacting the reporter. I will keep you all posted.

It is illegal to kill snakes on purpose in Virginia.
Read here and
here.

Under authority of 29.1-103 and 29.1-521 of the Code of Virginia it shall be unlawful to take (the word take legally means to harass, harm, pursue, hunt, shoot, wound, kill, trap,
capture, possess or collect, or to attempt to engage in any such conduct (4 VAC 15-20-140)), import, cause to be imported, export, cause to be exported, buy, sell, offer for sale, or liberate within the Commonwealth any wild animal unless otherwise specifically permitted by law
or regulation (4 VAC 15-30-10).
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:22 pm

Hopefully, that idiot reporter will write a follow up article citing that very section of the Virginia Code.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:47 pm

I am surprised the paper would even do the story without knowing of the code.
Imagine the spin the story could have taken if they had the information before he wrote it. WOULDN'T THAT GUY HAVE BEEN SURPRISED! ! Why can't life work out right at times like this?

Glad the law is on it now.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:11 pm

agreed!
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:45 pm

Would a hunting license exempt him from that law?
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:17 pm

No a hunting license would not exempt him. There is no snake season and the snakes were not a threat to anyone or any live stock and/or pets. And if they were harming people or animals he would have to call a game warden to come out and issue him a permit for it.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:05 pm

"Snakes have been the focal point of folklore for centuries. From the hoop snake that sticks its tail into its mouth and rolls after you to snakes that hypnotize their prey. No other group of animals has suffered more from negative misinformation than snakes. In fact, snakes are some of the most fascinating and beneficial creatures on the planet. The benefits range from the thrill of a chance encounter while on a walk in the woods to the consumption of thousands of rodents that may potentially cause millions of dollars in agricultural damage every year. Their benefits to us and the ecosystem they inhabit are some of the reasons it is illegal in Virginia to intentionally kill snakes. Generally speaking, snakes are very reclusive and timid. Many species of snakes will not even attempt to bite when handled."

http://www.dgif.virginia.gov/outdoor-report/2010/07/28/#notes-for-young-nature-explorers
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:21 pm

Thanks Larry for reporting this to the proper authorities, and Don for finding the article. I'm glad to see people standing up for what is right.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:56 pm

Snakes are in the non-game wildlife category and hunting licenses do not apply. Plain and simple, it is illegal to kill snakes on purpose in Virginia.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:08 pm

that includes running over them! Sad i've seen like 7 dead snakes on the road this year! Sad
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:13 am

a man of God killing God's creatures!?!?!?! Just doesn't add up to me!! Oh well, if someone wanted to release a few hundred rats we all know where he goes to church and where he lives!!
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:03 pm

One of my coworkers today attempted to save me from the devils I...what was his wording again.....entrust my soul to every day. Something like that.

I told him that if Snakes are devils then we better start worshipping ***** because of that time that God spoke through a donkey. And I also told him that this specific portion of the bible predates the one that states that we shouldn't cut our hair or beard.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:22 pm

Don has quoted some scripture before or at least pointed out places in the Bible where snakes are considered good. I'd put them here but I can't remember. I'm not sure where and when snakes started becoming associated with the devil and evil.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:35 pm

All of you guys are awesome!! This is the best damn forum, with the best damn people, I have ever been on or have been associated with. You make me so proud to be a reptile enthusiast/breeder and as long as I have a home, you all have a home. You need me for something, you just call and I will be there!
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:59 am

The bible and the qu'ran and (fill in the blank of your favorite holy book) are all open to interpretation, which is why you have so many denominations of all religions. For example, the snake handlers of appalachia, which if you have been paying attention to the news, a snake handler preacher recently died by a timber rattlesnake bite . They believed that with enough faith as written here:

And these signs shall follow them that believe: In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues. They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. (Mark 16:17-18)

Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. (Luke 10:19)

that God will protect them from snake bites. So instead of bringing him to a hospital, they drove him 80 miles to the house of another snake handling preacher, which ended up in his death. Turns out the last couple of deaths in Virginia by snake bites were exactly from snake handlers.

The opposite interpretation is as follows: The serpent is evil.... let's kill serpents.

One of the reasons why I was fighting the legislation that would label snakes as "dangerous animals" is because labeling these animals as "dangerous" legally, would give carte blanche kill authority to anyone who comes across them. Culturally, we are afraid of snakes, some of this fear comes to us from many reasons but one of those is biblical.

Hate it or love it... one of my favorite quotes is this: "With or without it (religion and not necessarily faith) you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." --Steven Weinberg (american physicist and nobel laureate 1979).
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:20 am

By the way, I was told that we need more people to call in DGIF to make sure they prosecute for this crime: please visit this site:

http://www.dgif.virginia.gov/wildlife-violation/

and let DGIF know that a crime was committed regarding this story. The more people who call, or email the more pressure DGIF will have to make sure that they prosecute and not let this guy get away with it. This is not about him, this is about setting an example that this is plainly wrong. If he gets away with it, then it's open season not only on our native wildlife, but your pets as well.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:30 am

I will make a complaint today Larry.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:57 am

I complain as well.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:58 am

This is the email I wrote to DGIF:

Good morning,

I am writing in regards to a horrific story that was published in The Franklin News-Post on June 6, 2012. The story reports that Pastor Eddie Peters has "virtually eliminated the large snake population in and around the waters of Pigg River, directly behind the veterans' park" According to the article "Peters felt the snakes should be eliminated, especially before Memorial Day service." This gross violation of the law needs to be addressed. Further, according to the article, the chief of Police of Rocky Mount Police, David Cundiff gave him permission to do so. Clearly this shows a lack of knowledge of the laws in Virginia regarding wildlife by the chief of police. I hope that DGIF takes the proper measures and sets the example that killing snakes only because you "don't like them" is wrong, immoral and most importantly, illegal. Not prosecuting this man, will send the message to everyone in the state that it is ok to kill wildlife without fear of legal repercussions and not only that, it will give you notoriety in the news media!

The Virginia Herpetological Society does not condone this type of behavior and we are shocked and appalled that this has happened in our beautiful state. I have received emails from many people and even from outside of the state in shock and horror at this wanton disregard for wildlife. The VHS strives very hard to educate the public about snakes and other reptiles and amphibians and incidences such as this only underscore the fact that we have lots more work ahead of us. I hope DGIF takes this matter seriously.

I am including a link to the article: http://www.thefranklinnewspost.com/article.cfm?ID=22371

Regards,

Mr. Larry Mendoza
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:10 am

I'd send a copy to the newspaper as well. They need to know they promoted illegal activity.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:11 am

This is what I sent to the paper:

Good morning,

I am writing in regards to a horrific story that was published in The Franklin News-Post on June 6, 2012 by staff writer Morris Stephenson. The story reports that Pastor Eddie Peters has "virtually eliminated the large snake population in and around the waters of Pigg River, directly behind the veterans' park" According to the article "Peters felt the snakes should be eliminated, especially before Memorial Day service." I would like to inform the paper that killing snakes in Virginia this is a violation of the law and I do believe that the media has a responsibility to not sensationalize this gross act of slaughtering animals for no other apparent reason than for that fact that someone doesn't like them. This article essentially is supporting and promoting this illegal act, clearly showing a lack of knowledge of the laws in Virginia regarding wildlife. I don't think the writer did his homework when writing this story and certainly did not bother checking with Department of Game and Inland Fisheries.

The Virginia Herpetological Society does not condone this type of behavior and we are shocked and appalled that this has happened in our beautiful state. I have received emails from many people and even from outside of the state in shock and horror at this wanton disregard for wildlife. The VHS strives very hard to educate the public about snakes and other reptiles and amphibians and incidences such as this only underscore the fact that we have lots more work ahead of us.

Here is the VA law (Code of VA) that protects all wildlife, unless otherwise stated in the laws or regulations (such as game species, with seasons in which you can hunt them with the proper license, or official nuisance species which property owners can kill anytime, except not on Sundays still for both of these exceptions) (there is no hunting season or license for snakes, and they are not on the official nuisance species list):

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+29.1-521


Here is the DGIF regulation (VA Administrative Code) that further states this protection on all wildlife (the word take in both the law and the regulation refers to killing as well as collecting):

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+reg+4VAC15-30-10

I hope that the The Franklin News-Post will do a better job at vetting the laws before sensationalizing an illegal act.

Regards,

Mr. Larry Mendoza
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:22 am

Thank you Larry, I will call the DGIF today too. Do you think it would be productive to call the paper and file a complaint with them too?
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:29 am

Hi Brian,

Yes I would call or email the paper to let them know that what happened is immoral and illegal.

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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:39 am

Link to article is not working anymore.... wonder if they took it down??
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:39 am

Okay, I called both. Thank you for the write-ups. I used them as a template with both my calls.

For anyone calling the paper, I would start off by asking to speak to the editor. I did not and they quickly transferred me to the editor (I was very polite though of course).

I simply asked "How can your paper write up such a long article condoning an illegal act and glorifying the wholesale slaughter of a protected animal species?"
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:41 am

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Link to article is not working anymore.... wonder if they took it down??
Interesting..as soon as I sent them the email...the article stopped working... hmmm....
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:42 am

Jabberwocky Dragons wrote:
Okay, I called both. Thank you for the write-ups. I used them as a template with both my calls.

For anyone calling the paper, I would start off by asking to speak to the editor. I did not and they quickly transferred me to the editor (I was very polite though of course).

I simply asked "How can your paper write up such a long article condoning an illegal act and glorifying the wholesale slaughter of a protected animal species?"

What did the editor say in response?
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:45 am

She didn't answer her phone so I left a voice-mail. I'm not really expecting a callback but I would like to hear the paper's answer to my question if anyone else can get a hold of her.
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:47 am

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smb2585 wrote:
Link to article is not working anymore.... wonder if they took it down??
Interesting..as soon as I sent them the email...the article stopped working... hmmm....

That's what I thought too... hmm..
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PostSubject: Re: This makes me mad and sad at the same time.   Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:06 pm

Does anyone still have a copy of it? It could prove useful later.
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